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Postby Moneyman » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:09 pm

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:ugeek: Explanation of my posting style in link: http://forum.thespacegame.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3166&p=29097#p29097.

About I'm acting as support to other players shipbuilding efforts.

I'm a supplier to players who mine exotics and have an extensive shipbuilding business.

… This is a means to convert exotic materials into ships ... Ships generate more $$$ than the exotic material.

See Thread content below … Think of this thread as a eight page flier on goods available.

This post's content The thread's lead post is just a table-of-contents.

Foreword .......... My barter terms for shipbuilders and individual players.
Desired ............. Some Yeti module bps are not available to me.
Thread content . This shop divides its information into separate (thread posts) locations

Foreword My barter terms for shipbuilders and individual players..

My main focus in this game is new player support and retention as players in this game.

I've discovered many unnecessary difficulties including inflationary price tendencies.

To avoid more inflation, goods exchange terms: 125% of the niobium, tin used in producing ships.

… This is a volume discount for shipbuilders: At least 5 ships or 10 modules exchanged.

In some module build cases, electronics and mechanical parts are used as currency.

See Mooncrest's shop thread barter terms for individual players. http://forum.thespacegame.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1131

New players can take possession and mine materials for payment, as is convenient for them.

Desired Some Yeti module bps are not available to me.

I will exchange a standard player Yeti without HD (HD: 125% of n/t required) for:

2 each of: Electronics, Gravity Generator, Propulsion, Reactor modules OR
4 each of: Electronics, Gravity Generator, Propulsion modules

Thread content This shop divides its information into separate (thread posts) locations.

The idea is that you look at only the information important to you. Post sequence:

2. Barter ........... The only way to deal with spiraling exotic material prices.
3. Available ....... Player ships and modules kept on hand. http://forum.thespacegame.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3295&p=29408#p29408
4. Modules ........ List by module name and bps class(s) available
5. Construction .. Boomerang (, Guardian) Thru Archon ship builds and barter amounts.
6. Equivalences . Standard and exotic material and module cost calculations.
7. Gate parts...... Barter terms for coils and Promethium Capacitors and Wormhole Generators.
http://forum.thespacegame.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3295&p=29466#p29466
8. Calculate barter terms using Wiki prices for class 6 to 10 and HD build barter at 125% of n/t used.
http://forum.thespacegame.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3295&p=29637#p29637
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Re: Bits and pieces

Postby Moneyman » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:33 pm

:mrgreen: About The only way to deal with spiraling exotic material prices.

This post's content How does niobium and tin prices compare to other prices?.

Barter ........ Game $$$ is severely de-valued due to exotic material inflation.
Standards . Inner planets Local Market standard materials prices.
Special ...... Stock Market specialized use materials.
Contracts .. Inner planets Contract Board niobium and tin buy ranges.

Barter Game $$$ is severely de-valued due to exotic material inflation.

See my other thread. Are exotic material prices fair? http://forum.thespacegame.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3426

Compare class 10 ship prices to class 11 ship prices to class 12 ship prices, etc.

… The reason for the huge differences in prices is the cost to acquire niobium and tin.

Standards Inner planets Local Market standard materials prices.

Apollo . Meat . 400 ... Pomona ...... Fruit .............110 ... Veritas . Titanium ,,,. 675
Ceres . Grain ... 80 .. Sol Invictus . Carbon ........ 825 ... Vestra .. Aluminum . 400
.................................. Ubertas ....... Vegetables . 200 ... Vulcan .. Iron .......... 110

Special Stock Market specialized use materials.

Antimony . Gems . Hydrogen ... Niobium .. Oxygen ........ Silicon . Uranium . Yttium
CO2 ......... Gold .. Magnesium . Nitrogen . Promethium . Tin ....... Water

In the real world, Aluminum and Tin would be in the same price range.

So where is Lime and Silver? Silicon is just sand and ought to be easy to acquire.

Barter is the only way to insulate yourself against the ship price spiral upward.

Contracts Inner planets Contract Board niobium and tin buy ranges

NPC Contract Boards buy Niobium between ¢19,000 and ¢22,000 per unit
NPC Contract Boards buy Tin between ¢5,000 to ¢9,000 per unit.

Player Stock Markets sell Uranium between ¢1,000 to ¢3,000 per unit. Isn't Local Market tin a bit high?

Of course, the current market price for Niobium and Tin is actually $150k and higher.

With prices like the above for Niobium and Tin … barter makes a lot of sense.

What is the point of the Local Market buys? Only freshly-minted players would sell on the LM.

Barter has one additional strong point, it can change exotic material scarcity.
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Re: Bits and pieces

Postby Moneyman » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:46 pm

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:mrgreen: About Player ships and modules kept on hand.

Single purchase see : Mooncrest http://forum.thespacegame.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1131

Note (x) means x ships in inventory once current ship build is completed.

Shipbuilder volume discount: 10% ... Below prices 90% of Mooncrest's single ship barter price:

Volume discount prices shown below require a purchase of 4+ ships ... Any combination of ship types accepted.

ISB (Apollo) ............ Player: (5) Leviathan with HD .............................. 95040 (any n/t combination)
................................ Player: 10 Orphan with HD ................................... 47520 (any n/t combination)
................................ Player: . 7 Archon with HD .................................... 23760 (any n/t combination)
................................ Player: . 8 Seraph with HD ...................,,,,,,,,,.,,,,,,. 11880 (any n/t combination)
................................ Player: 14 Boomerang with HD .....................,,,,,...,, 5940 (any n/t combination)
................................ Player: . 6 Guardian with HD ......................,,,,....,..,, 5940 (any n/t combination)

All Player ships include a class 1 Gem scanner module. Considered standard mining equipment.

Ceres ...................... NPC: . 6 Leviathan............................................. 21600 (any n/t combination)
................................. NPC: 16 Orphan ............................................... 10800 (any n/t combination)
................................. NPC: 13 Archon ................................................. 5400 (any n/t combination)
................................. NPC: . 5 Seraph ................................................. 2700 (any n/t combination)
................................. NPC: . 6 Boomerang........................................... 1350 (any n/t combination)
................................. NPC: 10 Guardian ..................................,,,,.....,.. 1350 (any n/t combination)

Pomona . Class 1 .... 20+ Axial CO2 laser, 20+ Shield ....................... $1 … from stripping
,................................ 20 Gem scanner ................................................ 4.5 (any n/t combination)

Ubertas .. Class 8 ..... 13 Armour panels, 10 Capacitor, 10 Reactor, .. Inventory
................................... 11 Shield, 3 Warp drive

Vulcan .... Class 12 .... Warp drive ....................................................... Inventory
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Re: Bits and pieces

Postby Moneyman » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:37 pm

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:mrgreen: About List by module name and bps class(s) available.

Single purchase see : Mooncrest http://forum.thespacegame.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1131

Modules by request ... Takes 1 hour X module's class to make. 90% on volume purchase.

Armour panels .... 1, 8,11-12 , Gem scanner ........... 1 .......... Reactor ............ 11 to 15
Axial CO2 laser ... 1 ,.............. Hyperdrive ............... 1 to 15 . Salvage beam .. 1 to 3
Capacitor ............. 1 – 8,11-5 . Mining beam ............ 1 to 10 . Shield ............... 1, 8,11-12
Computer ............. 8, 11 to 15. Passenger quarters . 1 to 15 . Ship (hull) ......... 8, 11 to 15
Electronics ........... 11 to 15..... Propulsion ................ 11-15
Gravity generator . 11 to 15 .... Ram scoop ............... 1 to 10 . Warp drive ........ 8, 11 to 14

Class 11 = Boomerang and Guardian

Niobium + tin barter for modules 90% on volume purchase. Single purchase below:

Capacitor (cl8) ................ 150 niobium / tin ........... Same for Hyperdrive
Capacitor (cl11) ............. 1350 niobium / tin .......... Same for Gravity generator, Hyperdrive and Reactor
Capacitor (cl12) ............. 2700 niobium / tin .......... Same for Gravity generator, Hyperdrive and Reactor
Capacitor (cl13) ............. 5400 niobium / tin .......... Same for Gravity generator, Hyperdrive and Reactor
Gem scanner (cl1) .............. 4.5 niobium / tin
Mining beam (cl10) .......... 400 niobium / tin
Passenger quarters (cl15) . 80 niobium / tin
Ram scoop (cl10) ............ 600 niobium / tin
Salvage beam (cl3) ............. 4.5 niobium / tin
Shield (cl8) ...................... 160 niobium / tin
Warp drive (cl8) .. ............ 135 niobium / tin
Warp drive (cl11) ........... 1080 niobium / tin
Warp drive (cl12) ........... 2160 niobium / tin
Warp drive (cl13) ........... 4320 niobium / tin

Modules not requiring niobium or tin Barter Electronics and/or Mech parts

Armour panels (cl8) .......... 100 Electronics + 100 Mech parts
Computer (cl8) .................. 5 Electronics + 5 Mech parts
Computer (cl11) ................ 10 Electronics + 10 Mech parts
Computer (cl12) ................ 12 Electronics + 12 Mech parts
Computer (cl13) ................ 15 Electronics + 15 Mech parts
Electronics (cl11) ............... 15 Electronics
Electronics (cl12) ............... 18 Electronics
Electronics (cl13) ............... 20 Electronics
Propulsion (cl11) ................ 450 Electronics + 3120 Mech parts
Propulsion (cl12) ................ 900 Electronics + 6.3k Mech parts
Propulsion (cl13) ................ 1.8k Electronics + 12.5k Mech parts
Ship (hull) (cl8) ................... 55 Electronics + 1k Mech parts
Ship (hull) (cl11) ................. 430 Electronics + 7.7k Mech parts ... Same whether Bommerang or Guardian
Ship (hull) (cl12) ................. 860 Electronics + 15.4k Mech parts
Ship (hull) (cl13) ................. 1.8k Electronics + 30.8k Mech parts
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Re: Bits and pieces

Postby Moneyman » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:24 am

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:mrgreen: About Boomerang (, Guardian) thru Archon ship builds and barter amounts.

My volume discount price is 90% of Mooncrest's n/t barter price for the same item.

... Minimum ship order quantity: 5 ships (any ship type combination)

Player Boomerang (, Guardian) ship: Shipbuilder price each: 4275 (any n/t combination)

N/T requirements:

Axial co2 laser .. .4 niobium + .4 tin .. Gravity Generator .. 512.1 niobium + 512.1 tin
Mining beam ..... .4 niobium + .4 tin .. Warp drive ............. 426.7 niobium + 426.7 tin
Ram scoop ....... .6 niobium + .6 tin .. Capacitor ............... 512.1 niobium + 512.1 tin
Salvage beam .. .4 niobium + .4 tin .. Reactor .................. 512.1 niobium + 512.1 tin
........................ 1.8 .............. 1.8 ..................................... 1963 ..................1963

90% 5250 (any n/t combination) = 4275 (any n/t combination)

Player Boomerang (, Guardian) with Hyperdrive Shipbuilder price each: 5940 (any n/t combination)

Hyperdrive requires:

... 170.7 Electronics + 341.4 Mech parts + 512.1 niobium + 512.1 tin + 170.7 carbon

90% 6600 (any n/t combination) = 5940 (any n/t combination)

NPC Boomerang (, Guardian) Shipbuilder price each: 1350 (any n/t combination)

… 90% 1500 (any n/t combination) = 1350 (any n/t combination)

Player Seraph ship Shipbuilder price each: 9450 (any n/t combination)

N/T requirements:

Axial co2 laser .. .4 niobium + .4 tin .. Gravity Generator . 1023.9 niobium + 1023.9 tin
Mining beam ..... .4 niobium + .4 tin .. Warp drive .............. 858.25 niobium + 858.25 tin
Ram scoop ....... .6 niobium + .6 tin .. Capacitor .............. 1023.9 niobium + 1023.9 tin
Salvage beam .. .4 niobium + .4 tin .. Reactor ................. 1023.9 niobium + 1023.9 tin
........................ 1.8 .............. 1.8 ...................................... 3929.95 ...............3929.95

90% 10500 (any n/t combination) = 9450 (any n/t combination)

Player Seraph with Hyperdrive Shipbuilder price each: 11880 (any n/t combination)

Hyperdrive requires:

... 341.3 Electronics + 682.6 Mech parts + 1023.9 niobium + 1023.9 tin + 341.3 carbon

90% 13200 (any n/t combination) = 11880 (any n/t combination)

NPC Seraph Shipbuilder price each: 2700 (any n/t combination)

… 90% 3000 (any n/t combination) = 2700 (any n/t combination)

Player Archon ship: Shipbuilder price each: 18900 (any n/t combination

N/T requirements:

Axial co2 laser .. .4 niobium + .4 tin .. Gravity Generator ... 2048.1 . niobium + 2048.1 tin
Mining beam ..... .4 niobium + .4 tin .. Warp drive .............. 1706.75 niobium + 1706.75 tin
Ram scoop ....... .6 niobium + .6 tin .. Capacitor ................. 2048.1 . niobium + 2048.1 tin
Salvage beam .. .4 niobium + .4 tin .. Reactor .................... 2048.1 . niobium + 2048.1 tin
........................ 1.8 .............. 1.8 ......................................... 7851.05 ................ 7851.05

90% 21000 (any n/t combination) = 18900 (any n/t combination)

Player Archon with Hyperdrive Shipbuilder price each: 23760 (any n/t combination

Hyperdrive requires:

... 682.7 Electronics + 1365.4 Mech parts + 2048.1 niobium + 2048.1 tin + 682.7 carbon

90% 26400 (any n/t combination) = 23760 (any n/t combination)

NPC Archon Shipbuilder price each: 5400 (any n/t combination)

… 90% 6000 (any n/t combination) = 5400 (any n/t combination)
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Re: Bits and pieces

Postby Moneyman » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:35 pm

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:mrgreen: About Standard and exotic material and module cost calculations

1 Antimony = 1 niobium + 1 tin

Gem scanner 2.2 niobium + 2.2 tin

.2 Electronics + .2 Antimony + 1.5 Superconducting coils + .1 Titanium

Superconducting coils .. .1 Electronics + .1 Mech parts + .8 niobium + .8 tin + .2 carbon

… 125% (1.2 niobium + 1.2 tin) = 1.5 niobium + 1.5 tin

125% (.2 + 1.5) = 2.125

Electronics .25 Alum, .5 Silcon, .25 Iron ....... .5 carbon or 4 iron

Mechanical parts .01 carbon, 1 Iron .............. .25 titanium

Passenger quarters (cl15) 12.3k Electronics + 6.9k Mech parts

2730.7 Electronics + 5461.4 Mech parts + 16384.2 iron + 2730.7 carbon 8192.1

125% (2730.7 + 16384.2 / 4 + 2730.7 / .5) Electronics + 5461.4 Mech parts =

= 12288.15 Electronics + 6826.25 Mech parts

Propulsion (cl11) 450 Electronics + 3120 Mech parts

17.07 Electronics + 324.33 titanium + 170.7 carbon + 1194.9 Mech parts

125% (17.07 + 170.7 / .5) Electronics + (1194.9 + 324.33 / .25) Mech parts =

= 448.0875 Electronics + 3115.275 Mech parts

Propulsion (cl12) 900 Electronics + 6.3k Mech parts

34.13 Electronics + 648.47 titanium + 341,3 carbon + 2389.1 Mech parts

125% (34.13 + 341,3 / .5) Electronics + (2389.1 + 648.47 / .25) Mech parts =

= 895.9125 Electronics + 6228.725 Mech parts

Propulsion (cl13) 1.8k Electronics + 12.5k Mech parts

68.27 Electronics + 1297.13 titanium + 682.7 carbon + 4778.9 Mech parts

125% (68.27 + 682.7 / .5) Electronics + (4778.9 + 1297.13 / .25) Mech parts =

= 17092.0875 Electronics + 12459.275 Mech parts

Ship (hull) (cl8) 55 Electronics + 1k Mech parts

191.7 titanium + 21.3 carbon = 766.8 Mech parts + 42.6 Electronics

125% 42.6 Electronics + 766.8 Mech parts = 53.25 Electronics + 958.5 Mech parts

Ship (hull) (cl11) 430 Electronics + 7.7k Mech parts

1536.3 titanium + 170.7 carbon = 6145.2 Mech parts + 341.4 Electronics

125% 341.4 Electronics + 6145.2 Mech parts = 426.75 Electronics + 7681.5 Mech parts

Ship (hull) (cl12) 860 Electronics + 15.4k Mech parts

3071.7 titanium + 341.3 carbon = 12286.8 Mech parts + 682.6 Electronics

125% 682.6 Electronics + 12286.8 Mech parts = 853.25 Electronics + 15358.5 Mech parts

Ship (hull) (cl13) 1.8k Electronics + 30.8k Mech parts

6144.8 titanium + 682.7 carbon = 24579.2 Mech parts + 1365.4 Electronics

125% 1365.4 Electronics + 24579.2 Mech parts = 1706.75 Electronics + 30724 Mech parts

Warp drive (cl11) 540 niobium + 540 tin

170.7 Electronics + 341.4 titanium + 170.7 carbon = 170.7 magnesium + 426.75 niobium+ 426.75 tin

125% 426.75 niobium+ 426.75 tin = 533.4375 niobium + 533.4375 tin

Warp drive (cl12) 1.1k niobium + 1.1k tin

341.3 Electronics + 682.6 titanium + 341.3 carbon = 341.3 magnesium + 853.25 niobium+ 853.25 tin

125% 853.25 niobium+ 853.25 tin = 1066.5625 niobium +1066.5625 tin

Warp drive (cl13) 2.2k niobium + 2.2k tin

682.6 Electronics + 1365.4 titanium + 682.6 carbon = 682.6 magnesium + 1706.75 niobium+ 1706.75 tin

125% 1706.75 niobium+ 1706.75 tin = 2133.4375 niobium +2133.4375 tin
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Re: Bits and pieces

Postby Moneyman » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:12 pm

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:mrgreen: Barter terms for coils and Promethium Capacitors and Wormhole Generators.

I'll use NPC ship(s) to move carbon and iron at buy / sell that is convenient for the gate builder.

... I, of course, can use my Lev in assisting mats dropping at the gate under construction.

My objective is arrange exotic mats barter at 125% of the quantity of the exotic mats used.

... Other mats used are provided no charge.

Coils ... Provided in 1k coil tonne lots: .5k niobium + .5k tin per 1k coil tonnes.

.1 Electronics + .1 Mech parts + .8 niobium + .8 tin + .2 carbon

125% (.8 niobium + .8 tin) = 1 niobium + 1 tin ... creates 2 tonnes of coils.

Calculations used to calculate Promethium Capacitor, Wormhole Generator barter terms

125% 170.65 = 213.3125 (220) ... 125% 341.3 = 426.625 (430)

... (2559.75 Coils = 2559.75 / 2 niobium + 2559.75 / 2 tin)

..... 2559.75 X ( .5 niobium + .5 tin) = 1279.875 niobium + 1279.875 tin

..... 125% 2559.75 / 2 = 1599.825 (1.6k)

125% (341.3 tritium + 2559.75 / 2 niobium + 2559.75 / 2 tin + 170.65 promethium)

= 426.625 (430) tritium + 1599.825 (1.6k) niobium + 1599.825 (1.6k) tin + 213.3125 (220) promethium

Promethium Capacitor (cl12) 430 tritium +1.6k niobium + 1.6k tin + 220 promethium

341.3 Mech parts + 341.3 tritium + 2559.75 Coils + 170.65 promethium

Build exotics required: 341.3 tritium, 1279.875 niobium, 1279.875 tin, 170.65 promethium

Wormhole Generator (cl12) 430 tritium +1.6k niobium + 1.6k tin + 220 promethium

341.3 carbon + 341.3 tritium + 2559.75 Coils + 170.65 promethium

Build exotics required: 341.3 tritium, 1279.875 niobium, 1279.875 tin, 170.65 promethium
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Re: Bits and pieces

Postby Moneyman » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:24 pm

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:mrgreen: New player: Ceres, Vulcan, etc shipyards offer class 6 to10 ships infrequently.

The purpose of the posts in this thread is to encourage mining of exotic materials such as (n/t) niobium and tin.

The ship is available from the (GM) Galactic Market for 1c immediately under the Ascent player's avatar name ... ex: Moneyman.

About Calculate barter terms using Wiki prices for class 6 to10 and HD build barter at 125% of n/t used.

Inner shipyard purchase Wiki $$$ divided by $100k per tonne rounded up to whole n/t quantity.

.... The n/t quantity can be in any combination of niobium and tin.

Barter terms calculations How much mining you need to do to pay for the ship.

..................... class .. price .....n/t ..HD n/t .. HD barter ... with HD .. Barter calculation
Squid ............. 6 ....... $3m .....30 ....31.8 ........ 40 ................. 70 .... 125% of 31.8 = 39.75
Kraken ........... 7 ....... $8m .....80 ....64.2 ........ 81 ................161 .... 125% of 64.2 = 80.25
Yeti ................. 8 ,,.,, $25m ..250 ..127.8 ...... 160 ............... 410 .... 125% of 127.8 = 159.75
Hammerhead ..9 ,,.,, $70m ..700 ..256.2 ...... 321 ............... 1.1k .... 125% of 256.2 = 320.25
Mammoth.......10 ... $200m ..2k ... 511.8 .......640.................2.7k .... 125% of 511.8 = 639.75

Ships for resale get at Sol Invictus ... Inventory and n/t barter terms:

4 Squid 30 ... 0 Kraken 80 ... 0 Yeti 250 ... 4 Hammerhead 700 ... 4 Mammoth 2k

Ships equipped with HDs get at Apollo ... Also includes class 1 Gem scanner.

0 Squid 70 ... 4 Kraken 161 ... 9 Yeti 410 ... 0 Hammerhead 1.1k ... 0 Mammoth 2.7k
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Re: Bits and pieces

Postby Moneyman » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:23 pm

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:mrgreen: Thanks to fleas for the following volume ship barter orders:

55 NPC Guardian ships plus 5 Player Guardian ships.

15 NPC Seraph ships plus 15 Player Seraph ships.

5 NPC Archon ships plus 5 Player Archon ships

:mrgreen: Thanks to RAM for the following ship barter orders:

2 NPC Orphan

:mrgreen: Thanks to LH (LadyHawk) for the following ship barter orders:

2 NPC Leviathan

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